The Mailbag: Emails We Don’t Like

Pram Watch is taking a short break from our long hiatus to answer an email of the sort we don’t like much.  “Jill” wrote:

Hi  I was intrigued by your website  I just found this item in Ocean City NJ.  It was owned by a wealthy family and was found in amazing condition.  Nothing missing but one white brake stop.  Please inform me on others like this.  Name of Stroller, maybe year and if there is a market for this.  Thanks Jill from Ocean City.

Hi, Jill.  How interesting that you ask these questions, when it appears that you have this very item listed on eBay, right now.  The photographs are the same ones you sent me, and the eBay seller is “jillkoz” in Ocean City.

So it seems that you actually know exactly what this stroller is.  It’s an Emmaljunga Baby Bus, just as noted in the listing.  Here’s your picture:

I’m not going to answer any of your rather unfortunately disingenuous questions, except for the last one, which asks me to “inform” you if there is a market for this stroller.  As you are about to discover, the answer is essentially “no”.

And there certainly isn’t a market at the absurd price in this listing.  The listing is asking for $1400.00 for a used stroller that the seller claims cost more than  $1300.00 new.  And for which said seller undoubtedly paid much, much less, unless that same seller was taken for quite a ride herself.

The new price quoted in the eBay listing for this version of this stroller, with no accessories, is grossly inflated.   Brand new, at $1300.00, this stroller should have included two stroller boots; an apron; and a full pram body with its own hood, as well as this frame;  two seats; and two hoods.   And yet, this listing asks for $100.00 more than that! That takes nerve.

In fact, right now, on eBay, there is another navy Baby Bus listed, this one in Chicago, with a beginning bid of $99.00, and a Buy It Now price of $220.00.  (One of you seems to have stolen text from another of you, but that’s neither here nor there.)

Two days ago, a different navy Baby Bus FAILED to sell on eBay for a starting bid of $75.00, and a Buy It Now price of $200.00.

That $1400.00 price is looking a little silly, now, isn’t it?

Here’s why there is essentially no market for this stroller, even for many times less than $1400.00:

  • The Baby Bus is over four feet long, with the handle folded, and extremely heavy.
  • This is not a stroller that can be easily moved in and out of vehicles.  It’s big, heavy, and best transported broken down.
  • It is so heavy that it is best used in neighborhoods where there are no hills.  It could be hard to control going down hill, and, loaded with toddlers, stressful to push uphill.
  • Storing it on a porch or garage uses quite a bit of room.  Storing it in the house is probably out of the question.
  • This is not a stroller anyone would want to be taking up and down stairs on a regular basis.
  • This is not a very maneuverable stroller; it has a huge turning radius.
  • The Baby Bus requires some strength to push, especially when loaded with toddlers.

The eBay listing claims that the Baby Bus is “RARE 1 OF A KIND”.  This is not  true; Baby Buses turn up fairly frequently on eBay, on Craigslist, and elsewhere. They were sold as recently as ten years ago, and aren’t even truly “rare”, as you can tell from the links above.

By the way, navy is the most common color for the Baby Bus, so this model is not only not rare, but not even the rarest version of this type.

The usual problem is that they can’t be given away.  We at The Pram Museum acquired ours, a red  (and therefore more unusual) one, with full boots, for less than one-twenty-fourth what this eBay listing asks.  At that, we may have paid a little too much.

Worse, the listing for the pictures you sent to us implies that these seats are car seats:

And, you ask, “What is a pram?”  It is a stroller that converts into a car seat.  That will save space and make life easier.

These seats are NOT car seats; in fact it would be dangerous to use them in a motor vehicle.  Not to mention that nothing about this stroller is space-saving.  And no, a pram is NOT “a stroller that converts into a car seat”.  Not even close.

Yes, this stroller appears to be in excellent shape.  Yes, it might be possible to sell it.  Many people love Emmaljunga strollers (this is not a pram of any sort), and anything is possible.

There may be some confused person somewhere who is willing to buy a used stroller for far more than it sold new; things like this happen.  But you’d have to find a real idiot to buy it at this price.  A more realistic price would be around that $200.00 mark.  Or less. But it still is likely to be hard to sell, even at that price.

And buyers?  Note that this ridiculously priced item carries an additional shipping price of $84.00.

We’re glad to share our knowledge with visitors who write to us, but it is rather offensive to get an email from someone who is pretending not to know information they are asking for, who does not disclose that they are in the process of trying to sell the item in question, who has a listing up, and is only bothering to fact-check after the listing has been posted.

This is even more offensive when the listing is inaccurate in the first place because the lister felt free to supply imaginary information instead of facts.  We prefer not to aid sellers who are, let us say, inventive, in their selling practices.

Pram Watch does not charge for viewing this site, for answering emails, for generously sharing information.  But we do hope for, and expect, a degree of transparency in our correspondents.

Don’t ask us to waste our time telling you what what you already know; be honest and tell us if you’re selling the item, as opposed to finding about it for Aunt Betty, or because it’s a beloved piece from your personal history.

We’ll probably help you anyway.  But don’t waste our (donated) time, and don’t yank our chain in an attempt to increase your profit.  It’s not really much to ask.

Buyers and sellers who want more information regarding those activities should check these posts:

Prams On eBay:  Buyer Beware

What Is My Stroller/Pram/Baby Carriage Worth?

What’s It Worth?  Part 2

And, you ask, “What is a pram?”  It is a stroller that converts into a car seat.  That will save space and make life easier.

2 Responses to “The Mailbag: Emails We Don’t Like”

  • Thank you for your detailed and helpful response to this person. It served me well when considering buying this stroller from Goodwill for $50 – I think I’ll pass. This is the best review of this stroller that I could find in an online search, so I truly appreciate it!

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